Recurring concern

Unreliable learning from white-goods fire information

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First reported 5 Nov 2014•Latest report 6 Dec 2024

Definition

What this concern includes

Includes failures in the dedicated product-safety process for collecting, validating, analysing, sharing or acting on information about fires involving white goods or comparable domestic appliances, including field reports, warranty-replacement data and investigation outcomes when these are intended to support learning and fire prevention.

Not included

  • Excludes appliance design, manufacturing, recall, repair or withdrawal failures where the deficiency is not the use of fire information for safety learning.
  • Excludes generic data-management, organisational-learning or incident-reporting deficiencies without a direct white-goods-fire safety connection.
  • Excludes product warnings and public-awareness failures unless they arise from an identified failure to analyse or learn from white-goods fire information.
  • Excludes the underlying occurrence of an appliance fire where no continuing failure in the product-safety learning process is asserted.
Reports
3

Distinct published reports

Individual concerns
6

A report can raise multiple concerns

Date range
2014–2024

First to latest report issue date

Stated actions
14

Described in published responses

Reports over time

Reports over time

Reports about this concern issued each year.

* 2026 is projected from reports observed to 7 Sep 2026.

Most frequent recipients

Most frequent recipients

Reports about this concern sent to each recipient.

British Standards Institution2
Chartered Trading Standards Institute2
Hotpoint UK Appliances Limited2
National Fire Chiefs Council2
The Association of Manufacturers of Domestic Appliances2
Association of British Insurers1
Beko PLC1
British Retail Consortium1
Department for Business, Innovation & Skills1
Home Office1
Institution of Fire Engineers1
Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government1
North Yorkshire Council1
Office for Product Safety and Standards1
The Chartered Society of Forensic Sciences1

Concerns and responses across reports

Only concerns grouped under this recurring concern are included. Select any concern, action or position to view the source wording.

  1. North London

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    Champagauri Bhatt and Dipak Bhatt · Prevention of Future Deaths report

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    On 29 March 2023, a fire caused by an electrical fault in a tumble dryer led to inhalation injuries and the deaths of Champagauri and Dipak Bhatt. Concerns included moisture ingress into condensate pumps causing faults and fire, and the need for improved data sharing, product safety standards, fire investigation reporting, risk assessment, and appliance identification.

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    How this individual concern was interpreted

    PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the report wording shown below.

    PFD Monitor interpretation

    Inadequate information management for analysis and learning from white goods fires

    Wider context from the report

    “During the inquest a London Fire Brigade witness made suggestions for more effective data sharing and use and It was apparent future deaths may occur unless action is taken. (1) That ingress of moisture into condensate pumps may result in tracking faults causing resistive heating and fire. (2) That changes in information management would result in better analysis of, and learning from, white goods fires. (3) Manufacturers to give the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade (LFB) to support their fire prevention work data on parts replaced on warranty for condensate pumps and RFI filters. (4) Working group CPL / 61 look at standards of manufacture of mains and sub mains operated condensate pumps and RFI filters, to improve standards. (5) Manufacturers to share data on decisions and rationale behind recall / replacement of condensate pumps and RFI filters Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade to support their fire prevention work. (6) Companies investigating fires to notify Trading Standards and the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) of the outcome of those investigations. (7) Manufacturers to be required to use the OPSS risk assessment methodology, PRISM, when conducting risk assessments to account for persons in a property and their actions, i.e. sleeping whilst a product is taking advantage of lower electricity rates. (8) Identification plates on appliances that will not be destroyed by fire akin to those on vehicles. ”

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    Champagauri Bhatt and Dipak Bhatt · Prevention of Future Deaths report
    Page 3 · concerns

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    Failure by fire-investigating companies to notify authorities of investigation outcomes

    Wider context from the report

    “During the inquest a London Fire Brigade witness made suggestions for more effective data sharing and use and It was apparent future deaths may occur unless action is taken. (1) That ingress of moisture into condensate pumps may result in tracking faults causing resistive heating and fire. (2) That changes in information management would result in better analysis of, and learning from, white goods fires. (3) Manufacturers to give the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade (LFB) to support their fire prevention work data on parts replaced on warranty for condensate pumps and RFI filters. (4) Working group CPL / 61 look at standards of manufacture of mains and sub mains operated condensate pumps and RFI filters, to improve standards. (5) Manufacturers to share data on decisions and rationale behind recall / replacement of condensate pumps and RFI filters Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade to support their fire prevention work. (6) Companies investigating fires to notify Trading Standards and the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) of the outcome of those investigations. (7) Manufacturers to be required to use the OPSS risk assessment methodology, PRISM, when conducting risk assessments to account for persons in a property and their actions, i.e. sleeping whilst a product is taking advantage of lower electricity rates. (8) Identification plates on appliances that will not be destroyed by fire akin to those on vehicles. ”

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    Champagauri Bhatt and Dipak Bhatt · Prevention of Future Deaths report
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    Lack of sharing of warranty replacement data for condensate pumps and RFI filters

    Wider context from the report

    “During the inquest a London Fire Brigade witness made suggestions for more effective data sharing and use and It was apparent future deaths may occur unless action is taken. (1) That ingress of moisture into condensate pumps may result in tracking faults causing resistive heating and fire. (2) That changes in information management would result in better analysis of, and learning from, white goods fires. (3) Manufacturers to give the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade (LFB) to support their fire prevention work data on parts replaced on warranty for condensate pumps and RFI filters. (4) Working group CPL / 61 look at standards of manufacture of mains and sub mains operated condensate pumps and RFI filters, to improve standards. (5) Manufacturers to share data on decisions and rationale behind recall / replacement of condensate pumps and RFI filters Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) as the regulator and London Fire Brigade to support their fire prevention work. (6) Companies investigating fires to notify Trading Standards and the Office of Product Safety Standards (OPSS) of the outcome of those investigations. (7) Manufacturers to be required to use the OPSS risk assessment methodology, PRISM, when conducting risk assessments to account for persons in a property and their actions, i.e. sleeping whilst a product is taking advantage of lower electricity rates. (8) Identification plates on appliances that will not be destroyed by fire akin to those on vehicles. ”

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    Champagauri Bhatt and Dipak Bhatt · Prevention of Future Deaths report
    Page 3 · concerns

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    Operate and annually refine a comprehensive system collating appliance-safety data to analyse incidents and disseminate safety information.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “To further strengthen our efforts, we have recently implemented an annual comprehensive data management collation system. This system collates data from a variety of sources including OPSS and anonymised data from our membership. This collected data enables us to further analyse and disseminate safety related information related to specific appliances. This exercise has already proven instrumental in identifying trends, supporting targeted incident analysis, and driving safety enhancements at International IEC standards level.”

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    Response from Association of Manufacturers of Domestic Appliances
    Page 3 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Continue monitoring fire-incident trends and collaborating with fire services and manufacturers to explore practical data-driven appliance-safety measures.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Fire incident data for key appliances is collated annually in line with international IEC focuses, helping to identify trends and inform on safety improvements. AMDEA will continue to monitor the situation and collaborate with Fire Services and manufacturers to explore practical, data-driven measures that enhance appliance safety.”

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    Response from Association of Manufacturers of Domestic Appliances
    Page 9 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Track Prevention of Future Deaths Reports and share them with NFCC members to identify and promote opportunities for improvement.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Thank you for raising the concern in relation to the deaths of Champagauri and Dipak Bhatt on 29 March 2023. It is with great sadness that I read about the circumstances of their deaths. The National Fire Chiefs Council (NFCC) is committed to a culture of learning and improvement and seeks to support fire and rescue services (FRSs) to embed a learning culture. We actively track Prevention of Future Deaths Reports and share them with our members to ensure all opportunities for improvement are taken.”

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    Response from National Fire Chiefs Council
    Page 1 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    How this respondent action was interpreted

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    Monitor products in the field for safety incidents and feed identified issues into risk assessments through an established process.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Once a product is placed on the market, we are required to monitor the field to identify any safety related incidents that will subsequently feed into risk assessments. We have a robust process in place for doing this. Having interrogated our data following the tragic deaths of Champagni Bhatt and Dipak Bhatt, we cannot find any evidence of safety issues with the ingress of water into condensate pumps in our products. However, that does not exclude the possibility of there being a wider industry issue, and, if stakeholders involved in setting standards agree that there is a requirement to focus on potential risk with condensate pumps, we will of course actively participate in that process.”

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    Response from Hotpoint UK Appliances Ltd
    Page 3 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Operate and promote the Product-related Fire Notification process, supported by published guidance, to collect product-fire information from fire and rescue services.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “OPSS has also established a process of information sharing with London Fire Brigade (LFB) and other Fire and Rescue Services (FRS) to collect information about product-related fires, known as Product-related Fire Notifications (PFNs). In more serious cases, including those involving serious injuries or fatalities, fire investigators can undertake detailed investigations to determine the cause, defect or failure that led to a product-related fire breaking out. OPSS has been gathering this information in partnership with LFB since 2020, and other FRS since February 2023, when OPSS published guidance Product-Related Fire Incident Notifications - GOV.UK to assist and support FRS to report product-related fires.”

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    Response from Office for Product and Safety Standards
    Page 2 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Continue engaging with regulators and other stakeholders to identify and learn lessons with wider implications for the safety of similar products.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “I hope that Champagauri and Dipak’s family are reassured that this tragic incident is already being considered by product regulators. While North Yorkshire County Council is taking the lead in investigating this case, OPSS will continue to engage with them and other stakeholders, so that we can provide any support needed and can learn from any”

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    Response from Office for Product and Safety Standards
    Page 3 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Existing product-related fire notification arrangements enable OPSS to identify potentially unsafe products and take necessary action.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “OPSS has also established a process of information sharing with London Fire Brigade (LFB) and other Fire and Rescue Services (FRS) to collect information about product-related fires, known as Product-related Fire Notifications (PFNs). In more serious cases, including those involving serious injuries or fatalities, fire investigators can undertake detailed investigations to determine the cause, defect or failure that led to a product-related fire breaking out. OPSS has been gathering this information in partnership with LFB since 2020, and other FRS since February 2023, when OPSS published guidance Product-Related Fire Incident Notifications - GOV.UK to assist and support FRS to report product-related fires.”

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    Response from Office for Product and Safety Standards
    Page 2 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    A specific response to changes in information management cannot be provided without further detail about which aspects need to change.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “I understand from your report that the inquest concluded that Champagauri and Dipak Bhatt died from inhalation injuries following a fire caused by an electrical fault in a tumble dryer. You have suggested that changes in information management would result in better analysis of, and learning from, white goods fires, but there is no explanation in your report as to which aspects of information management need to change.”

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    Response from the Home Office
    Page 1 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    OPSS should address the report’s wider recommendations because they require a national approach.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “CTSI would also like to see OPSS look at the wider recommendations made in the report as we believe these require a national approach to address national issues.”

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    Response from Chartered Trading Standards Institute
    Page 2 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Authorities should use existing investigatory powers to require manufacturers to disclose sensitive product-safety information.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “As noted above, the product safety legal framework places responsibility on manufacturers and other actors in the supply chain to monitor and investigate safety issues and report safety risks.”

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    Response from Hotpoint UK Appliances Ltd
    Page 3 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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    Receiving manufacturer information on recalled or warranty-replaced condensate pumps and FRI filters is outside the organisation’s remit.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Unfortunately, this is not currently within the remit of NFCC. However, we do support the single recall register, which was a key output of the Total Recalls campaign initiated by London Fire Brigade and rolled out nationally. This was created as a consumer-facing initiative and focused on products rather than parts that could be causing issues across multiple appliances. This is recorded on a national register which can be found here: Product Safety Alerts, Reports and Recalls - GOV.UK”

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    Response from National Fire Chiefs Council
    Page 1 · response
    Published 9 December 2024

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  2. North Wales (East and Central)

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    Bernard Hender and Douglas McTavish · Prevention of Future Deaths report

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    Bernard Hender and Douglas McTavish died on 10 October 2014 after a fire at their shared flat, with the deaths attributed to smoke inhalation and carbon monoxide poisoning. The inquest found, on the balance of probabilities, that the fire was caused by an electrical fault in a tumble dryer. Concerns included Whirlpool’s assessment and use of information about fire risks associated with door switch assemblies, and insufficient public awareness of the risk of fires caused by spontaneous combustion.

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    How this individual concern was interpreted

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    Failure to place due reliance on field information about reported fires

    Wider context from the report

    “[1] The door switch assembly of interest in this case is used in literally hundreds of thousands of appliances manufactured by Whirlpool. I did not emerge from the hearing confident that Whirlpool’s risk assessment processed have fully identified or appreciated the extent of the risk of fire (and its potential consequences). My impression was that at least some of the evidence from those called at the request of Whirlpool was defensive and dismissive in nature. The description by the company’s former Global Product Safety Director of the company’s approach to what he described as ‘soft data’ from the field (meaning, amongst other things, reported instances of fires) was of considerable concern to me. I am concerned that the company’s reluctance to place due reliance on information coming forward in this way, and instead to prefer to take advice from itself, represents an obstacle to timely learning and a likely inhibitor to progressive steps which might prevent fires and save lives. [2] In the course of evidence ████████ spoke about his belief that the most likely cause of the fire being spontaneous combustion, and explained that he was aware of hundreds of fires of that origin. I was not sure that public awareness of the magnitude of the risk and of the circumstances in which it might materialise reflects the picture painted by ████████. I am concerned that not enough has been done historically to raise awareness of this risk. ”

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    Bernard Hender and Douglas McTavish · Prevention of Future Deaths report
    Page 2 · concerns

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    Continue applying product-safety processes and monitoring field and external reports involving potential fire risks.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Whirlpool has a comprehensive set of policies, procedures, and guidelines in place for field monitoring, field safety investigations, analysis, risk assessment, and reporting potential safety hazards associated with its products. These systems have been developed and refined over decades, and Whirlpool keeps those systems under review as part of its commitment to continual improvement.”

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    2017-0311-Response-by-Whirlpool-UK-Appliances-Limited
    Page 1 · response
    Published 28 November 2017

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    The product safety process gives full regard to externally sourced soft data, contrary to the concern that such information was disregarded.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Regardless of the source of the information, all such cases are channelled through to a dedicated team in the UK to ensure that we have a consistent approach with our initial investigation process throughout. We wish to make it clear that there is no reluctance on the part of Whirlpool to consider, and as appropriate, place due reliance on information received from sources external to Whirlpool. Indeed, information from external sources is vitally important including information received from experts not appointed by or on behalf of Whirlpool.”

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    2017-0311-Response-by-Whirlpool-UK-Appliances-Limited
    Page 2 · response
    Published 28 November 2017

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  3. North London

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    Santosh Benjamin Muthiah · Prevention of Future Deaths report

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    Santosh Benjamin Muthiah died after a fire spread through his home while he and his family were sleeping, with the medical cause recorded as cerebral anoxia due to inhalation of fire fumes. The report raised concerns about the identification and communication of appliance-fire information, risks from recalled and second-hand refrigeration appliances, product safety risk assessments, guidance and notification practices, and the construction and components of refrigeration appliances, including capacitors.

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    Failure to identify appliance fire causes and appliance identifiers after fire damage

    Wider context from the report

    “1. I heard evidence from various witnesses, including the LFB but also from Beko and ████████ formerly of Intertek, that there are often problems in identifying, not just the specific cause of an appliance fire, but even the manufacturer, model and serial number of the appliance in question due to the severity of the fire damage. This has a knock on effect on Fire & Rescue Services’ (“FRS’s”), Trading Standards (“TS”) and manufacturers’ ability to accurately identify a pattern or trend within fires from appliances which may evidence a specific manufacturing or component problem. 2. This creates a risk that the nature and extent of a potential problem with a particular manufacturer or particular appliance is not fully known and therefore underestimated with the consequence that the risk to the lives of consumers may also be underestimated. ”

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    Santosh Benjamin Muthiah · Prevention of Future Deaths report
    Page 3 · concerns

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    Failure to routinely pass identified domestic appliance fire information to Trading Standards or manufacturers

    Wider context from the report

    “6. This is not the case routinely elsewhere in the country. There may be a variety of reasons for this, including the difficulty in identifying the appliances due to fire damage, and the more limited resources and expertise in the investigation of the causes of fires that other FRS’s have in contrast to the fortunate position of the LFB. 7. Whatever the reasons there is a risk in existence where such information that is gathered by FRS’s in relation to fires involving domestic electrical appliances (where the appliance can be identified) is not routinely passed to the appropriate TS Home or Primary Authority or indeed to the manufacturer. TS is taking decisions on whether to take any action in relation to a particular manufacturer or a particular appliance on less than all the available information. If they were provided with more accurate information about the incidences of appliance fires they would be in a better position to take action where necessary. ”

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    Santosh Benjamin Muthiah · Prevention of Future Deaths report
    Page 3 · concerns

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    How this respondent action was interpreted

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    Continue supporting industry efforts to develop globally agreed fire-resistant identification plates or equivalent key-information markings for white goods.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Your second concern in this section relates to white goods carrying key information on a fire-resistant plate or similar. I understand that this idea has a number of practical challenges associated with it, but I believe that industry are looking into it in some detail and are seeking to make a proposal with the aim of securing global agreement. BIS will continue to support their efforts in this area.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Department-for-Business-Innovation-Skills
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Provide Fire and Rescue Services with guidance to improve the accuracy and usefulness of Incident Recording System information by April 2015.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “3. CFOA will provide guidance to FRS by April 2015 to help ensure that the information provided on IRS is as accurate and meaningful as is possible to facilitate the ease by which DCLG could provide it to TS and manufacturers if they decided to do so.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 3 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Hold regular meetings with fire services and industry to improve identification of fire-damaged appliances.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “We accept that there are difficulties in identifying products and components that fail but in most cases the fire officers with specialist knowledge (such as are found in the London Fire Brigade) with assistance from company specialists can overcome the difficulties presented when a product is burnt out and only a carcass remains. Over the past few years industry and the fire service have held regular meetings at AMDEA and we ensure that the fire services are supplied with contact details for all our members.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-AMDEA
    Page 1 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Supply fire services with contact details for association members.

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    “We accept that there are difficulties in identifying products and components that fail but in most cases the fire officers with specialist knowledge (such as are found in the London Fire Brigade) with assistance from company specialists can overcome the difficulties presented when a product is burnt out and only a carcass remains. Over the past few years industry and the fire service have held regular meetings at AMDEA and we ensure that the fire services are supplied with contact details for all our members.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-AMDEA
    Page 1 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Continue dialogue with UK, European and worldwide industry colleagues to address appliance identification and safety concerns.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “LFB have argued that manufacturers who provided such a marking would also avoid the situation of their products being misidentified, as has happened in the past. This is now understood and discussions are continuing both in UK and European industry fora.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-AMDEA
    Page 1 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Continue engaging with BIS and provide CFOA support for developing web-based information sharing between Fire and Rescue Services and Trading Standards.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “In this respect, I can report that there has been work on going since early 2014, initiated by the aforementioned CFOA FISSG, to improve the ability for the FRS to share information and intelligence with TS. Following a meeting in June 2014, hosted by the Government’s Business Innovations and Skills Department (BIS), there was agreement by all stakeholders, including CFOA, the Department of Local Government (DCLG) and the Association of Trading Standards Officers (ACTSO) that information sharing between the FRS and TS was important and, as a result, BIS undertook to carry out exploratory research on how that might be achieved most effectively through web based means. CFOA continue to engage proactively on this project and are currently awaiting an update from BIS.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    Continue engaging with DCLG’s working group to help develop the replacement Incident Recording System and improve collection, access and dissemination of appliance-fire information.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “As a result it may be possible to consider the ways that information is currently recorded and accessed thereby providing a more sustainable method to inform both TS and manufacturers of the information that you suggest on a regular basis. CFOA are already engaged with a working party developing the replacement IRS system, moreover there is an FISSG member to provide specific inputs on FRI related matters.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    How this respondent position was interpreted

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    Industry is pursuing a proposal for fire-resistant product information plates and seeking global agreement, while BIS supports those efforts.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “Your second concern in this section relates to white goods carrying key information on a fire-resistant plate or similar. I understand that this idea has a number of practical challenges associated with it, but I believe that industry are looking into it in some detail and are seeking to make a proposal with the aim of securing global agreement. BIS will continue to support their efforts in this area.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Department-for-Business-Innovation-Skills
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    How this respondent position was interpreted

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    CFOA cannot mandate or monitor UK fire and rescue services’ adoption of particular fire-investigation or information-sharing practices.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “CFOA is a charity whose purpose is to promote and increase efficiency amongst the UK’s Fire and Rescue Services (FRS) for the benefit of the public and all communities across the Country. It is important to note that my CFOA role does not authorise me to mandate any FRS to undertake a particular course of action. Whilst this is the case, I can produce guidance and recommend to the CFOA Board that this be issued to FRS in order to support the Association’s purpose.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 1 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    How this respondent position was interpreted

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    Future levels of fire investigation by fire and rescue services cannot be guaranteed because legislation creates no specific investigation duty.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “As your letter relates to the sharing of information following investigations into the origin and cause of a fire, it is also important to note that whilst the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004, in particular Section 45 of that Act, does give the FRS powers to obtain information and investigate fires, it does not place a specific duty on them to do so. Therefore, whilst all UK FRS currently investigate fires to an extent, it cannot be guaranteed in the absence of a statutory duty, the level that FRS will continue to investigate fires in the future.”

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    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

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    How this respondent position was interpreted

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    Forensic scientists should not be required to identify specific fire appliances or apparatus as causes because they are not best placed to do so.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “A forensic scientist will not be called to assist at the scene or even with any aspect of the majority of fire investigations. They are rarely involved in any but the most serious fires and / or unexplained or suspicious deaths. Reasonably straightforward cases where the cause of the fire is readily assessed will usually be investigated by the fire service and / or police without an external forensic scientist’s involvement.”

    Source location

    2014-0476-Response-by-Forensic-Sciences
    Page 1 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

    Open published response

    Source evidence

    How this respondent position was interpreted

    PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the published response wording shown below.

    PFD Monitor interpretation

    DCLG would be responsible for deciding whether meaningful information could be provided periodically to Trading Standards and manufacturers.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “All UK FRS provide information as to the cause of fires and the extent of damage caused by fire, to DCLG via their Incident Recording System (IRS). This is provided for every fire attended by the FRS and is generally gathered by frontline crews at the scene, rather than dedicated Fire Investigators who are mobilised depending on local circumstances but mostly where incidents are likely to be protracted or complicated. In respect to the subject matter, these routine reports will include the make and model of the appliance where that information is available. I have discussed the overlap between the two areas that we are responding to with ████████ and some of her colleagues. Whilst I am not in a position to comment upon the capacity for DCLG to change any processes, I do believe that there may be opportunities to work to enhance some of the information gathered for IRS.”

    Source location

    2014-0476-Response-by-Chief-Fire-Officers-Association
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

    Open published response

    Source evidence

    How this respondent position was interpreted

    PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the published response wording shown below.

    PFD Monitor interpretation

    Responsibility for consistent, accurate fire data supplied to a central monitoring body should rest with Fire and Rescue Services or the Local Authority.

    Verbatim wording from the response

    “In order to provide consistent and accurate data to a central monitoring body such as Trading Standards I believe responsibility should rest with a single agency that will always be involved and already has a duty to investigate, i.e. The Fire and Rescue Services / Local Authority.”

    Source location

    2014-0476-Response-by-Forensic-Sciences
    Page 2 · response
    Published 5 November 2014

    Open published response
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