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Ms Tahnie Lee Martin · Prevention of Future Deaths report

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Issued 10 Oct 2017•Black Country

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Concerns
6

Raised in this report

Recipients
1

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Responses found
1

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Stated actions
1

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Concerns raised6

  1. Failure of building survey reports to identify areas not accessed
  2. Failure to remove or safely maintain structures on the plant room roof
  3. Failure of building inspections and surveys to identify structures on the plant room roof
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  1. Action

    Review and revise the commercial property building-survey guidance, considering the coroner’s recommendation through public consultation.

    Stated by RICS RegulationStated in progressThe respondent said that this action was in progress when they made their response on 9 October 2017.

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Failure of building survey reports to identify areas not accessed

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

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How this individual concern was interpreted

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PFD Monitor interpretation

Failure to remove or safely maintain structures on the plant room roof

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

Is this part of a recurring concern?

No recurring-concern membership is currently published.

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Source evidence

How this individual concern was interpreted

PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the report wording shown below. Response links show a clear evidence connection; they do not assign responsibility.

PFD Monitor interpretation

Failure of building inspections and surveys to identify structures on the plant room roof

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

Is this part of a recurring concern?

No recurring-concern membership is currently published.

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Source evidence

How this individual concern was interpreted

PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the report wording shown below. Response links show a clear evidence connection; they do not assign responsibility.

PFD Monitor interpretation

Lack of mandatory requirements for surveyors to advise clients about risks of unaccessed areas

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

Is this part of a recurring concern?

No recurring-concern membership is currently published.

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Source evidence

How this individual concern was interpreted

PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the report wording shown below. Response links show a clear evidence connection; they do not assign responsibility.

PFD Monitor interpretation

Failure to indicate the necessity or urgency of accessing unaccessed building areas

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

Is this part of a recurring concern?

No recurring-concern membership is currently published.

Open source report

Source evidence

How this individual concern was interpreted

PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the report wording shown below. Response links show a clear evidence connection; they do not assign responsibility.

PFD Monitor interpretation

Lack of mandatory requirements for surveyors to refer to areas of a building not accessed

Wider context from the report

“(1) Although there had been several recent inspections/surveys carried out in respect of the Blackrock building from 2011-2015, none of these had identified the presence of the two structures on the plant room roof. As a result, although steps had been taken to repair/replace other rotten timber and corroded metal structures/fittings on the roof by 23 February 2017, nothing had been done either to remove or to safely maintain the two structures on the plant room roof for at least 19 years, making them inherently unsafe and hazardous. (2) Furthermore, although it seems that the plant room roof would have been difficult to access during these inspections/surveys, none of the Building Surveyors who carried out these or these surveys/inspections had referenced this fact in their reports nor indicated the necessity or urgency of doing so (considering the condition of the main roof generally). I was informed by one of the Building Surveyor witnesses at the inquest that it was not unusual for parts of a commercial building to remain unaccessed during a commercial building survey. Although he, personally, did not consider it acceptable for a Building Surveyor not to mention any areas of a building not accessed (and, indeed, to provide advice about the steps required and cost to achieve this) in the survey report, it appears that: Neither (1) is it a mandatory requirement in the current RICS Guidance Note Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property (4th Edition) for a Surveyor to refer to areas of a building not accessed; Nor (2) is it a mandatory requirement for a Surveyor to advise a Client about the specific risks of not obtaining such access and/or subsequent inspection. ”

Is this part of a recurring concern?

No recurring-concern membership is currently published.

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Source evidence

How this respondent action was interpreted

PFD Monitor created a concise, searchable interpretation from the published response wording shown below.

PFD Monitor interpretation

Review and revise the commercial property building-survey guidance, considering the coroner’s recommendation through public consultation.

Verbatim wording from the response

“We are already in the process of reviewing the Guidance Note referred to in your report (Building Surveys and Technical Due Diligence of Commercial Property, 4th edition). The revision is due to be completed, following a public consultation, in February 2018. We will consider the recommendation you make as part of the review.”

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